ANNOUNCER: ON THIS EPISODE OF SHOWCASE WITH BARBARA KELLAR, AUTHOR AND LOCAL HISTORIAN STEPHEN EARLY DISCUSSES HIS BOOK, AMID THE HONORABLE PLENTY.

THROUGH YEARS OF RESEARCH, EARLY UNCOVERS THE STORIES OF COVALT STATION AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE FROM 1790 TO 1795, OFFERING A GLIMPSE OF LIFE NEAR PRESENT DAY TERRACE PARK DURING THE EARLY DAYS OF SETTLEMENT.

STAY WITH US, SHOWCASE STARTS RIGHT NOW.

KELLAR: HI, I'M BARBARA KELLAR, WELCOME TO SHOWCASE.

WE HAVE A REALLY INTERESTING GUY HERE TODAY, INTERESTING AND HANDSOME AND DELIGHT TO TALK TO, ALL THOSE GREAT THINGS.

STEVE EARLY AND HE'S WRITTEN A BOOK WHICH IS JUST A PHENOMENAL HISTORY OF THE AREA OF TERRACE PARK WOULD BE THE CENTER PROBABLY.

AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR BOOK.

EARLY: WELL, THANKS FOR HAVING ME TODAY, BARBARA.

KELLAR: WELL, WELCOME TO SHOWCASE.

YOU'RE A HISTORIAN.

EARLY: I AM, I'M SOMEWHAT OF A LOCAL AMATEUR HISTORIAN, I THINK YOU WOULD SAY.

IT'S NOT WHAT I DO PROFESSIONALLY, BUT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTED IN LOCAL HISTORY AND THE HISTORY OF WHERE I AM AND BUILDINGS AND PLACES AND ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THIS SPOT BEFORE.

KELLAR: DID YOU STUDY ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN SCHOOL?

EARLY: SO, I WAS AN AMERICAN STUDIES MAJOR AT MIAMI UNIVERSITY.

AND, YOU KNOW, AMERICAN STUDIES BASICALLY ENCOMPASSES ANYTHING PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE TO DO WITH THE COUNTRY.

AND IT WAS THROUGH LOCAL HISTORY AND OLD BUILDINGS THAT SORT OF GOT ME INTO THAT AS A MAJOR.

BUT IT WASN'T PARTICULARLY HELPFUL, EXCEPT THAT IT JUST GAVE ME THE SKILLS TO START DOING THE RESEARCH INTO THINGS THAT I LOVED.

SO WHEN I FOUND THIS TOPIC, IT WAS EASY FOR ME TO REALLY DIVE HEAD FIRST INTO IT.

KELLAR: YES.

SKILLS TO DO RESEARCH.

THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PART.

SKILLS.

TALK ABOUT THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT.

EARLY: WELL, YOU KNOW, THE RESEARCH ASPECT THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY THE LARGEST PORTION WAS SPENDING THE TIME TO REALLY GO THROUGH AND TRY TO DIG UP THESE OLD SOURCES, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, THESE WERE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN 1795 AND 1800.

SO THEY REALLY ARE -- THESE ARE REALLY THINGS THAT HAPPENED SO LONG AGO, THERE'S NOT VERY MUCH FIRST, YOU KNOW, FIRST, FIRST PRIMARY SOURCE MATERIAL AVAILABLE.

IN THE 1840S, THERE WERE TWO MINISTERS WHO WERE READING THE OBITUARIES AND SEEING HOW MANY OF THESE EARLY PIONEERS WERE DYING RAPIDLY.

IF YOU'D COME TO THIS AREA WHEN YOU WERE 30 YEARS OLD, BY 1840, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, 80.

SO THEY WERE THEY WERE DYING FAIRLY RAPIDLY.

AND THESE TWO MEN THOUGHT WE SHOULD GO AROUND THE COUNTRY OR THE COUNTRYSIDE AND TRY TO COLLECT ALL THE STORIES THAT STILL REMAIN FROM THE PEOPLE THAT WE CAN.

AND THEY TOOK IT ALL DOWN IN LONGHAND, FIRST PERSON.

THEY NEVER DID ANYTHING WITH IT.

IT ENDED UP IN A HISTORICAL SOCIETY ARCHIVE UP IN WISCONSIN.

AND FINDING THAT, WHICH WE HAD ON MICROFICHE AT THE CINCINNATI PUBLIC LIBRARY, WAS SORT OF THE KEY TO BREAK OPEN THAT RESEARCH, BECAUSE THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF FIRSTHAND ACCOUNTS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAD LIVED THROUGH THESE EVENTS THAT I WAS RESEARCHING.

AND THEN THEY WOULD MENTION OTHER NAMES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD SEND ME DOWN DIFFERENT RABBIT HOLES.

SO IT WAS JUST SORT OF A -- I LOVED THAT PART OF IT, FINDING SOMETHING NEW, FINDING THE MISSING PIECE TO THIS PUZZLE, YOU KNOW, AND PUTTING ALL OF THAT TOGETHER INTO ONE PLACE.

KELLAR: YEAH.

DESCRIBE FOR OUR VIEWERS THE AREA THAT YOU ENCOMPASSED IN YOUR WORK.

EARLY: WELL, THE VILLAGE OF TERRACE PARK TODAY IS ON THE BANK OF THE LITTLE MIAMI RIVER, ABOUT 15 MILES EAST OF CINCINNATI.

AND THAT WAS THE LOCATION OF COVALT STATION, WHICH IS THE PIONEER FORT THAT THE BOOK IS FOCUSED ON.

BUT THAT WAS AN OUTPOST FOR THE ORIGINAL SETTLEMENT AT COLUMBIA, WHICH WAS DOWN AROUND LUNKEN AIRPORT.

AND SO THIS WAS ALL CENTERED AROUND THE RIVERS AS THE MAIN SOURCE OF TRAFFIC, OF COMMERCE, YOU KNOW, GAME AND WILDLIFE.

SO THEY BASICALLY WERE FOLLOWING THE RIVER AT THAT POINT, UP FROM THE MOUTH OF IT AT AROUND LUNKEN AIRPORT TODAY TO WHERE TERRACE PARK IS.

THERE WAS A CREEK THAT CAME OFF OF THE RIVER THERE.

IT'S STILL TODAY.

IT WAS ESPECIALLY GOOD SITE FOR A MILL AND THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THEM.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY PICKED THAT SPOT, BECAUSE IT HAD THE BEST LOCATION FOR A MILL, WHICH THEY WOULD NEED, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY TO TURN ALL OF THEIR GRAIN.

KELLAR: IS THIS LIKE A WATER MILL?

EARLY: YES.

IT WAS CONTINUOUSLY TURNING WHEEL, 24/7, THAT WAS TURNING BY THE WATER.

YES.

KELLAR: RIGHT, IF YOU WANT TO EAT, YOU FIRST HAVE TO GROW IT, HARVEST IT, AND THEN GRIND IT.

EARLY: ABSOLUTELY.

KELLAR: YOU CAN'T SWALLOW THOSE CORN.

EARLY: THAT'S TRUE, NOT MUCH VALUE TO YOU WITHOUT THE GRINDING.

KELLAR: RIGHT.

SO GO AHEAD.

EARLY: WELL, AND THERE IS A LOT -- THERE WAS A FEW OF THOSE AROUND HERE.

A SORT OF A FAMOUS ONE WOULD BE KUGLER'S MILL IN CAMP DENNISON AND THE ROAD KUGLER MILL RUNS ALL THE WAY ACROSS TOWN THERE AS THE PATH TO GET TO THAT MILL.

THE COVALT'S MILL WAS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE PEOPLE CAME EVEN FROM COLOMBIA THAT FAR NORTH TO USE IT.

SO WHEN THEY WERE PETITIONING FOR HELP FROM THE MILITARY AND PROTECTION FROM NATIVE AMERICANS, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ALWAYS SAID.

IT'S NOT JUST FOR US, BUT EVERYONE USES OUR MILL.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS SORT OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

AND IT WAS RUNNING ALL THE TIME BECAUSE OF THE WATER POWER.

KELLAR: YEAH, RIGHT WHERE TERRACE PARK IS.

EARLY: EXACTLY, YEAH.

WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE MILL WAS.

IT WAS ON A CREEK THAT IS STILL THERE TODAY.

IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER OF A CREEK, NOT MUCH OF A FLOW AS IT WAS BACK THEN.

SO WE KNOW ROUGHLY WHERE IT WAS, BUT IT WAS ALL IN THE VICINITY TODAY OF WHAT IS ST.

THOMAS CHURCH IS PROBABLY THE MOST FAMOUS LANDMARK THAT IS PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE THE FORT AND THE MILL WERE.

SO THEY DID FIND A CEMETERY IN THE 1890S WHEN DIGGING A VICTORIAN HOME NEAR THERE, WHICH WE THINK WAS MOST LIKELY THE LOST CEMETERY FROM THE FORT.

KELLAR: YEAH.

AND HOW FAR OUT DID IT GO?

STARTING IN TERRACE PARK.

EARLY: SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL FORT ITSELF WAS ABOUT 40,000 SQUARE FEET ENCLOSED BY A WOODEN STOCKADE FENCE, AND THAT TOOK UP -- THAT WAS ABOUT 100 BY 400 SQUARE FEET IN A RECTANGLE.

AND SO, BUT THEN THEY CLEARED THE LAND THAT WAS ALL AROUND THAT SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE -- PEOPLE COULDN'T SNEAK UP ON THEM FROM THE WOODS.

SO THEIR HUNTING GROUND EXTENDED FROM THERE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE MOUTH OF THE LITTLE MIAMI AT THE OHIO, AND AS FAR UP AS YOU KNOW -- THEY TALK ABOUT GOING NOT QUITE ALL THE WAY TO WHAT WOULD BE DAYTON TODAY, BUT THERE WERE SETTLEMENTS UP NEAR YELLOW SPRINGS, AND THEY DID INTERACT WITH THEM AS WELL.

KELLAR: YEAH.

SO PRETTY -- WELL, HOW ABOUT INTO WESTERN HILLS?

EARLY: YEAH.

WELL, CERTAINLY.

AND THERE WERE OTHER OUTPOST FOR IT.

SO THE THREE ORIGINAL SETTLEMENTS WERE COLUMBIA AT THE MOUTH OF THE LITTLE MIAMI RIVER AND THEN LOSANTIVILLE, WHICH IS OF COURSE TODAY DOWNTOWN CINCINNATI, AND THEN THE THIRD WAS SYMMES OWN SETTLEMENT AT NORTH BEND, WHICH IS THE NORTHERNMOST BEND IN ALL OF THE OHIO RIVER OF ITS ENTIRE FLOW.

AND SO EACH ONE OF THEM HAD AN OUTPOST ORIGINALLY.

SO WHITE STATION, WHICH WAS NEAR READING, WAS THE OUTPOST FOR -- KELLAR: THAT'S A LONG WAY OUT.

EARLY: THAT WAS, YEAH, THAT WAS FOR LOSANTIVILLE.

AND THEN WHAT THEY CALLED COLRAIN, WHICH WAS UP NEAR TODAY AROUND ROSS, THE FORT AT COLRAIN, THAT WAS THE OUTPOST FOR NORTH BEND.

KELLAR: AND ALL THOSE NAMES HAVE SURVIVED TODAY.

EARLY: THEY REALLY HAVE, YES.

KELLAR: VIRTUALLY EVERY NAME THAT I READ IN THE BOOK IS STILL A NAME OF SOME PLACE HERE.

EARLY: AND THAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE I HAD DRIVEN BY THE SIGN THAT SAYS TURKEY BOTTOMS ON COLUMBIA PARKWAY A MILLION TIMES AND LAUGHED ABOUT WHAT IN THE WORLD THAT MEANS.

AND THEN TO FIND THESE PIONEER ACCOUNTS OF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, CLEARED FARMLAND AROUND SOUTHERN LYNWOOD, AROUND THE RIVER TODAY.

KELLAR: YEAH.

TELL US WHAT DO YOU THINK IN YOUR RESEARCH, ASIDE FROM JUST THE FACTS OF WHO DID WHAT AND WHAT, WHAT ARE THE MOST INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THE PEOPLE AT THAT TIME AND THEIR LIVES?

EARLY: THAT'S SUCH A GREAT QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, FOR ME, WHAT WAS SO INTERESTING TO THINK OF, SO MARY COVALT, WHO WAS THE DAUGHTER OF CAPTAIN COVALT, WHO FOUNDED THIS FORT, SHE ENDED UP STAYING IN THIS AREA HER WHOLE LIFE.

SHE DIED IN THE LATE 1850S.

AND SHE DID WRITE DOWN A FULL ACCOUNT OF HER LIFE, YOU KNOW, THIS ENTIRE STORY.

AND WHAT WAS FOR ME TO REALIZE WAS SO INTERESTING WAS THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO, WHEN SHE ARRIVED HERE AT AGE 16, CINCINNATI WAS NOTHING MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF LOG CABIN CHIMNEYS IN THE WOODS.

AND BY THE TIME SHE DIED, I THINK IT WAS THE FIFTH LARGEST CITY IN THE NATION.

KELLAR: WOW!

EARLY: TO HAVE LIVED TO SEE, ON THE EVE OF THE CIVIL WAR, TO SEE THAT HOW FAR IN ONE LIFETIME, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA HAD GROWN THAT RAPIDLY BECAUSE THE RIVER WAS EVERYTHING.

THE RIVER WAS THE SOURCE OF COMMERCE, WAS THE SOURCE OF TRANSIT.

SO IT WAS JUST SUCH A BOOM.

THE FIRST HALF OF THE 19TH CENTURY WAS SUCH A BOOM TIME FOR CINCINNATI, AND I THINK TO HAVE ARRIVED HERE WHEN IT WAS LITERALLY THE UNEXPLORED AMERICAN WEST AND THEN SEE THAT MUCH CHANGE IN ONE LIFETIME WAS REALLY INCREDIBLE.

KELLAR: YEAH.

IN READING YOUR BOOK, WHICH IS REALLY INTERESTING, THINKING ABOUT AND PUTTING MY -- YOU HAVE TO SORT OF INTERNALIZE THIS.

YOU THINK THIS IS WHAT THESE PEOPLE DID?

I WOULDN'T HAVE LASTED 15 MINUTES.

I MEAN, WE JUST AREN'T -- WE WOULDN'T BE READY FOR THAT.

BUT THE THOUGHT THAT THESE PEOPLE CAME, HOW FAR AWAY DID THEY COME TO SETTLE HERE?

EARLY: THAT'S A REALLY GREAT QUESTION.

THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAME HERE STARTED OFF IN WHAT THEY CALLED REDSTONE, WHICH IS IN WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA.

TODAY, IT'S SOMEWHAT NEAR PITTSBURGH.

UM, A LOT OF THEM HAD ENDED UP IN THAT AREA FIRST AND KNEW EACH OTHER THERE BEFORE THEY CAME HERE.

BUT WHAT'S TODAY IS MAYSVILLE WAS CALLED LIMESTONE BACK THEN IN KENTUCKY.

THAT WAS THE -- PRETTY MUCH THE WESTERNMOST STOP ON THE RIVER.

SO THEY COULD GET ON AT PITTSBURGH AND GET DOWN TO MAYSVILLE, WHICH THEY CALLED LIMESTONE.

BUT AFTER THAT IT WAS REALLY UNEXPLORED, YOU KNOW, TERRITORY UNTIL THEY GOT TO THIS AREA.

SO A LOT OF THEM WERE -- MOST OF THEM WERE BAPTISTS.

THAT SEEMED TO BE THE MAJORITY OF THE EARLY RELIGION HERE.

KELLAR: BUT THEY WEREN'T COMING FOR RELIGIOUS.

EARLY: NO, THEY WEREN'T.

THEY WERE REALLY COMING BECAUSE AFTER THE REVOLUTION, IT WAS SO HARD TO GET NEW LAND IN THE EAST.

EVERYTHING WAS SO EXPENSIVE AND SO LIMITED THAT IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO TRY TO GO MAKE YOUR FORTUNE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SORT OF ANYTHING, ANYTHING WAS POSSIBLE OUT HERE.

KELLAR: YEAH.

ANYTHING WAS AND ANYTHING WAS POSSIBLE AND DID TURN OUT TO BE.

EARLY: IT DID.

KELLAR: IT DID, BUT DID THEY TELL THEM ABOUT THE DANGERS?

OH MY GOODNESS.

EARLY: YOU KNOW, THERE WERE -- YOU'RE RIGHT.

THERE WERE A LOT OF DANGERS, ESPECIALLY WITH NATIVE AMERICANS THAT WERE ALREADY USING THIS AREA.

AND THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN -- THERE WERE -- THERE WERE KNOWN PROBLEMS WITH NATIVE AMERICANS HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY HAD -- WOULD EVER COME IF THEY HAD ANY IDEA HOW SERIOUS IT WAS GOING TO BE.

AND THE GOVERNMENT WAS REALLY PUSHING FOR PEOPLE TO EXPLORE THIS LAND BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT OWNED A LARGE PORTION OF IT, AND THEY HAD TO REFILL THEIR EMPTY POCKETS AFTER THE REVOLUTION.

AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT WAS REALLY TO GET PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND BUY THIS.

BUT THEY WOULDN'T IF THEY WERE SCARED OF NATIVE AMERICANS.

SO THEY DOWNPLAYED THE DANGER OF THAT A LOT, I THINK, IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE SETTLEMENT.

KELLAR: YOU THINK IF THE PEOPLE HAD A BETTER KNOWLEDGE OF THE NATIVE AMERICANS AND THEIR LIFESTYLES, THAT MAYBE IT COULD HAVE BEEN LESS VOLATILE?

I MEAN, THAT'S SORT OF A WOULDA, SHOULDA, COULDA, BUT... EARLY: WELL, I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.

BUT BEFORE I WENT INTO THIS WORK, I SORT OF THOUGHT OF THE NATIVE AMERICANS AS BEING, UM, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE REALLY HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS MORE OF SOMETHING THAT TOOK PLACE OUT WEST ON THE PLAINS, YOU KNOW.

AND SO TO FIND OUT ABOUT THAT WAS REALLY SHOCKING AND VERY INTERESTING TO ME TO BEGIN WITH.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT'S -- THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIVED HERE, THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN PUSHED AROUND FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY FOR GENERATIONS.

YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ALREADY -- WHITE ENCROACHMENT HAD ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING FOR GENERATIONS BY THEN.

SO THIS WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME THEY'D EVER SEEN WHITE PEOPLE, BUT THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY REALLY DECIDED TO TAKE A STAND INSTEAD OF MOVING ON THEMSELVES AND REALLY FIGHT FOR THIS AREA.

IT WAS MOSTLY THE MIAMI AND THE SHAWNEE, BUT THERE WERE MANY, MANY TRIBES THAT WERE IN OHIO AT THAT TIME.

AND THEY REALLY UNIFIED AND PUT UP AN INCREDIBLE RESISTANCE THAT, I MEAN, THEY TWICE WIPED OUT THE US ARMY WHO CAME TO DESTROY THEM.

AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE THOUGHT THAT WAS POSSIBLE.

KELLAR: NO, I WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT SO.

EARLY: YEAH, IT WAS DEFINITELY EYE OPENING TO REALIZE ALL OF THAT.

KELLAR: WELL, BUT IN THOSE DAYS, MY CONCEPT IS OF WHAT I LEARNED WATCHING WESTERN MOVIES.

YOU KNOW, JOHN WAYNE HAS TAUGHT ME A LOT.

EARLY: SURE, ALL OF US.

KELLAR: ABOUT ALL OF US OLD WEST IN THOSE DAYS.

BUT WASHINGTON WAS SO FAR, BECAUSE THE COMMUNICATION THAT WE KNOW TODAY WAS -- IT'S RIDICULOUS WHEN YOU THINK THESE PEOPLE IT TOOK DAYS TO SEND A MESSAGE BY PONY EXPRESS.

SO YOU CAN -- I CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DIDN'T REALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE ON A TIMELY BASIS.

EARLY: YES, IT WAS TOUGH AND WASHINGTON WAS INVOLVED.

THERE'S A GREAT STORY THAT I HAVE IN THE BOOK ABOUT PRESIDENT WASHINGTON WHEN THEY TOLD HIM THAT THE US ARMY HAD BEEN DESTROYED BY THE NATIVE AMERICANS.

THIS HAD BEEN SAINT CLAIR'S DEFEAT.

HE WAS EXPLODED WITH RAGE, AND HE WAS SOMEBODY WHO WAS KNOWN TO BE EXTREMELY CALM.

BUT THIS WAS AN ONGOING PROBLEM FOR THEM, AND THEY REALLY WANTED IT SOLVED.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY FOR THEM, THAT DIDN'T MEAN A COMPROMISE.

IT REALLY MEANT TRYING TO WIPE OUT NATIVE AMERICANS ALTOGETHER.

KELLAR: WELL, THAT'S THE TRAGEDY OF IT ALL.

BUT THEY DID, THE PEOPLE DID SURVIVE AND WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK AND TELL OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.

AND IT IS INCREDIBLY INTERESTING.

AND YOU HAVE SO MANY FIRST PERSON ACCOUNTS IN YOUR BOOK.

AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY BRINGS YOU TO THE REALITY OF WHAT LIFE, AND ALTHOUGH WE WOULD NEVER UNDERSTAND IT, BUT YOU GET SOMEWHAT OF A TASTE OF WHAT THESE PEOPLE WENT THROUGH TO SURVIVE AND THAT THEY DID, AND HOW UNBELIEVABLY BRAVE AND COURAGEOUS THEY WERE.

EARLY: THEY REALLY WERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WANTED TO GET THE NATIVE AMERICAN SIDE OF THIS TOO, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH -- IT'S AS IMPORTANT.

AND SADLY, THEY'RE JUST ALMOST UNKNOWABLE TODAY.

I REACHED OUT TO THE MIAMI TRIBAL HEADQUARTERS IN OKLAHOMA TO SEE IF THEY HAD THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, VERSIONS OF THESE EVENTS, EITHER THROUGH ORAL HISTORY.

NO, THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT IT THAT THEY COULD SHARE.

BUT I THINK THERE WERE, AND I TALK ABOUT THIS IN THE BOOK, I THINK BY 1840, THE VERY LAST NATIVE PEOPLE HAD BEEN REMOVED FROM THE STATE.

SO THERE WERE STILL POCKETS OF THEM UNTIL ABOUT THAT TIME.

KELLAR: BUT YOU MEAN REMOVED BY PUTTING THEM ON RESERVATIONS?

EARLY: YES.

YEAH.

BROUGHT TO CINCINNATI, PUT ON STEAMBOATS AND TAKEN WEST.

KELLAR: OH, PUT THEM ON STEAMBOATS, THE GOVERNMENT, THE MILITARY?

EARLY: YES.

KELLAR: JUST SORT OF ROUNDED THEM UP?

EARLY: YEAH, THEY HAD HAD PROBABLY SORT OF ONE SIDED TREATIES WHERE THEY WERE GIVING UP THEIR LAND HERE IN EXCHANGE FOR SOMETHING OUT WEST.

AND THEN THEY WERE -- BUT, YOU KNOW, THE MIAMI, OKLAHOMA, I'M SORRY -- THE MIAMI RESERVATION IN OKLAHOMA, I DID DRIVE THROUGH THERE ONCE ON THE WAY OUT WEST.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS A VERY ARID, SORT OF DRY DESERT CLIMATE AS COMPARED TO THIS LUSH AREA THAT THEY HAD OCCUPIED FROM WISCONSIN, SORT OF ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THIS AREA.

SO I THINK -- I DID THINK ABOUT WHAT A -- HOW THAT MUST HAVE FELT TO LEAVE A PLACE THAT WAS SO FERTILE AND LUSH FOR A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ARID CLIMATE.

KELLAR: YEAH, YEAH, WELL, THAT, THAT'S JUST PART OF HISTORY.

BUT ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU FEEL LIKE IT WAS PEACEFUL AND THEY COULD SURVIVE AND GROW RATHER THAN JUST BE CONCENTRATED ON EATING AND -- EARLY: ABSOLUTELY, SURVIVING.

YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

1795 WAS REALLY THE FINAL BATTLE WHICH REALLY KIND OF PUT TO END ALL THE FIGHTING WITH NATIVE AMERICANS.

AND THAT WAS GENERAL ANTHONY WAYNE, THEY CALLED MAD ANTHONY WAYNE.

SO WAYNE FINALLY DEFEATED THE MIAMI AND THE SHAWNEE AT WHAT THEY CALLED THE BATTLE OF FALLEN TIMBERS, WHICH WAS UP NEAR FORT WAYNE, WHICH TOOK PLACE.

AND WHEN THAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT, THEY -- NATIVE AMERICANS LOST REALLY ANY REAL FOOTING IN OHIO.

THEY GAVE UP PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEIR RIGHTS.

AND AFTER THAT HAPPENED, WE SAW EXPANSION HAPPEN INCREDIBLY FAST.

I HAVE PIONEER ACCOUNTS WHERE THEY SAY YOU WOULD DRIVE DOWN A ROAD AND IT WOULD BE NOTHING, AND COME BACK A MONTH LATER AND THERE WOULD BE ALL DEVELOPED FARMS.

IT WAS REALLY HAPPENING THAT QUICKLY.

AND MOST PEOPLE HERE SOLD THE LAND AND MOVED WEST, BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST WAITING FOR IT TO APPRECIATE IN VALUE AND THEN MOVE ON.

VERY FEW DID STAY LONG TERM, BUT THE ONES THAT DID, THEIR DESCENDANTS ARE STILL HERE TODAY.

KELLAR: YEAH, AND THEY'RE YOUR RELATIVES?

EARLY: WELL, NOT DIRECTLY.

I WISH THEY WERE MINE.

I DID FIND SEVERAL OF THEM.

KELLAR: SOME MIGHT BE.

EARLY: IT COULD BE.

KELLAR: YEAH.

TELL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR FAMILY.

YOUR GRANDFATHER WAS -- EARLY: MY GRANDFATHER, ROGER EARLY HAD AN ANTIQUES AND AUCTION BUSINESS HERE FOR MOST OF THE 20TH CENTURY.

STARTED THAT IN THE 1950S.

AND, UM, WE SPECIALIZED IN ART GLASS.

SO IN THAT CATEGORY, A TIFFANY LAMP WOULD BE THE MOST FAMOUS EXAMPLE, BUT IT'S DECORATIVE GLASS MADE IN AMERICAN EUROPE BETWEEN ROUGHLY VICTORIAN TIMES AND THE 1930S.

SO THAT WAS WHAT WE SOLD AS A SPECIALTY.

BUT HE DID LOTS OF LOCAL AUCTIONS AROUND TOWN, ESTATE SALES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND IF HE EVER FOUND EARLY BOOKS ABOUT CINCINNATI IN THE AREA, THEY SORT OF ENDED UP ON A CLOSET SHELF.

HE'D BUY THEM OR HE BOUGHT THEM OUT OF THE FAMILY.

SO THAT'S WHERE I STARTED KIND OF GOING THROUGH AND FINDING THESE STORIES AND REALIZING HOW MUCH THERE REALLY WAS THAT WAS LOST ABOUT, IT WAS STILL OUT THERE, BUT KIND OF FORGOTTEN.

KELLAR: YEAH.

YOU COULD BE GIVING LECTURES AT UC AND XAVIER.

I MEAN, I THINK THE STORY OF OUR BEGINNINGS HERE, AND I'M NOT EXPERT IN EVEN THE NATIVE AMERICAN PART IS SOMETHING THAT YOUNG PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT.

EARLY: ABSOLUTELY.

KELLAR: THEY SHOULD BE CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

EARLY: I AGREE WITH YOU.

KELLAR: WHO WAS STANDING HERE BEFORE ME?

WERE THEY?

WHAT WERE THEY DOING DURING THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR?

HOW FAR WEST DID WAS INVOLVED?

EARLY: THAT'S REALLY A GREAT QUESTION.

BASICALLY THERE WAS SORT OF A LONG STANDING NOTION THAT ANYTHING NORTH OF THE OHIO RIVER WAS WHAT THEY CALLED INDIAN COUNTRY.

SO KENTUCKY WAS ALREADY PART OF THE VIRGINIA TERRITORY, WHICH WAS VIRGINIA, WEST VIRGINIA AND KENTUCKY.

BUT THERE WAS REALLY -- AND THEN PENNSYLVANIA TERRITORY SORT OF EXTENDED OUT TO ABOUT THE EDGE OF OHIO.

BUT BEYOND THAT WAS ALL CONSIDERED TO BE, YOU KNOW, INDIAN COUNTRY.

NOW, THE NORTHWEST ORDINANCE SORT OF WAS WHAT SORT OF SAID THESE ARE GOING TO BE THE RULES FOR THIS AREA, AND THAT'S WHAT ABOLISHED SLAVERY ABOVE THE OHIO RIVER.

SO THAT WAS REALLY NEVER SOMETHING HERE.

BUT, UM, BUT BASICALLY THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A -- THAT WAS -- THIS WAS ALL UNEXPLORED TERRITORY AFTER THAT WAS BEFORE THAT.

BUT AFTER THE REVOLUTION, WE REALLY ACTED LIKE NATIVE AMERICANS HAD LOST ANY RIGHT TO IT BECAUSE SOME OF THEM HAD HELPED THE BRITISH.

BUT THEY CERTAINLY DID NOT SEE IT THAT WAY.

YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T ALL -- FIRST OF ALL, THEY DIDN'T FEEL AS UNITED AS WE LOOKED AT THEM TO SAY IF SOME HAD HELPED THE BRITISH, THAT WAS EVERYBODY.

THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY AT ALL.

AND SO WE REALLY TREATED THEM LIKE THEY'D LOST ANY CLAIM TO THIS LAND AFTER THE WAR.

THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY WHATSOEVER.

LIMITED EXPLORATION BEFORE THE REVOLUTION HERE.

A LITTLE BIT FOR FRANCE, A LITTLE BIT FOR DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.

BUT MOSTLY IT WAS EARLY FUR TRAPPERS WHO WERE COMING UP THE RIVERS THAT GAVE US OUR VERY FIRST DESCRIPTIONS OF THIS AREA.

KELLAR: YEAH, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE FRENCH IN LOUISIANA, FOR INSTANCE?

EARLY: SO THE FRENCH ACTUALLY DID COME DOWN THE OHIO RIVER.

AND THIS WAS, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE THE YEAR.

THIS IS THE EARLY 1700S.

AND THEY BURIED LEAD TABLETS THAT CLAIMED THIS LAND FOR THE KING OF FRANCE AT THE MOUTH OF SEVERAL MAJOR RIVERS IN THE 1930S.

SOME CHILDREN WERE SWIMMING IN THE OHIO RIVER NEAR MARIETTA AND THEY FOUND ONE.

THEY CAME ACROSS IT UNDERWATER.

THE ONE HAS NEVER BEEN LOCATED AT THE MOUTH OF THE GREAT MIAMI, BUT THERE IS ONE BURIED SOMEWHERE.

WHAT ARE -- I MEAN TO FIND A BIG LEAD TABLET THAT IN FRANCE CLAIMS THIS AREA FOR THE KING OF FRANCE WOULD BE AN INCREDIBLE FIND, AND IT'S THERE SOMEWHERE.

BUT THEY WERE -- THEY CALLED THE OHIO RIVER, THE RIVIERE BLANCHE, THE WHITE RIVER, AND THEY UM YOU KNOW, THAT WAS SORT OF THEIR NAME FOR IT.

BUT THEY WERE, THEY CALLED -- THERE WAS A MIAMI VILLAGE AROUND LUNKEN AIRPORT, WHICH THEY CALLED LE BARIL BECAUSE THE CHIEF WAS, APPARENTLY, UM, WAS SO FAT, THEY CALLED HIM -- HE WAS BARREL SHAPED, SO THEY CALLED HIM LE BARIL.

AND THAT WAS SOME OF THE EARLY ACCOUNTS OF THAT AREA IN FRENCH.

BUT UM, THEY WERE PROBABLY THE FIRST TO BE HERE.

YEAH.

NO REAL TRACE OF IT LEFT UNLESS WE EVER FIND THOSE TABLETS.

KELLAR: WERE THEY -- WHEN THEY BURIED THE TABLETS, WAS IT UNDERWATER OR WAS IT AT THE TIME THERE WASN'T ANY WATER.

EARLY: NO.

AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY BURIED THEM.

THEY MAY HAVE JUST TRIED TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE AT THE MOUTH OF THAT RIVER, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE THE INTERSECTION OF MAJOR HIGHWAYS TO CLAIM THIS LAND AS A, YOU KNOW, BUT SOMEHOW THEY GOT LOST OR I MEAN, THEY WERE BASICALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WILDERNESS.

SO WHO KNOWS HOW FAST.

KELLAR: KIND OF A STRANGE PLACE.

EARLY: YES, A VERY STRANGE.

BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD DO, JUST CLAIM IT.

KELLAR: YOU NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT ONE.

EARLY: OH, I WOULD LOVE TO TRY TO.

KELLAR: FIND OUT WHAT WAS GOING WITH THEM.

AS A RESEARCH PERSON, JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT IT -- WHAT IS THE PROCESS.

YOU SAY, OH, I THINK I'LL WRITE A BOOK ABOUT BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

OKAY, GREAT.

THEN WHAT?

EARLY: THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

I DIDN'T, NO, I'D NEVER DONE IT BEFORE, SO I WASN'T SURE HOW I WAS GOING TO START.

AND AT FIRST I WAS JUST SORT OF FINDING RANDOM STORIES, BUT NOT PUTTING THEM IN ANY KIND OF ORDER.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO WITH ALL OF THIS.

WHEN I FOUND THE FULL TEXT OF MARY COVALT, IT'S CALLED REMINISCENCES OF EARLY DAYS.

AND WHEN I FOUND THAT FULL NARRATIVE, I BEGAN TO USE THAT AS THE GUIDE AND THEN FLUSH THE DETAILS OUT THAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

WHAT HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL IS THE ABILITY TO SEARCH NEWSPAPER ARCHIVES ONLINE.

THAT'S JUST CHANGED THE GAME BECAUSE THERE ARE SMALL OHIO NEWSPAPERS, SMALL INDIANA NEWSPAPERS THAT ARE ONLINE.

FOR SOME REASON, A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ENDED UP IN INDIANA, AND WHEN THEY PASSED AWAY, THE OBITUARIES THERE WOULD TALK ABOUT THEIR TIME IN THE FOUNDING OF CINCINNATI.

BUT THAT WAS NEVER PUBLISHED HERE, AND IT NEVER MADE IT HERE.

SO TO FIND SOME OF THAT, YOU KNOW, I WAS ABLE TO SOLVE SOME MYSTERIES THAT HAD HAD EXISTED BECAUSE OF THAT.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE EARLIEST PEOPLE HERE, HIS NAME WAS GRAHAM BRIGHT BAILEY.

HE WAS ONE OF THE VERY EARLIEST SETTLERS HERE.

AND HE LATER ON WENT ON TO TRY TO GET A NEW FARM OUT IN INDIANA SOMEWHERE.

AND HE DIED WHEN THEY WERE ON THE WABASH RIVER.

AND THEY JUST HAD TO BURY HIM ON THE BANK AND KEEP GOING.

WELL, ABOUT 75 YEARS AFTER HE DIED, SOMEBODY FOUND THAT GRAVE, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO IT WAS.

SO THEY WERE PUBLISHING THINGS ABOUT WHO IS THIS MAN, BUT THEY HAD NO WAY TO FIND IT.

AND THEN WHEN I DID THE RESEARCH AND PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHO IT IS.

SO YEAH, THAT WAS KIND OF -- THAT'S BEEN SO NEAT.

KELLAR: THAT'S LIKE FINDING A LITTLE, LIKE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR GOLD NUGGETS AND YOU FIND ONE.

EARLY: ABSOLUTELY.

KELLAR: YES.

ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY ENJOYED READING ABOUT, ONE WAS WHAT THEY WORE.

WHEN THEIR CLOTHES WORE OUT THAT THEY HAD ON AND WITH THEM WHEN THEY CAME OUT WEST, THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE BEGINNING TO PRODUCE.

SO THEY WERE JUST LIKE THE INDIANS.

EARLY: THEY REALLY WERE, YES.

KELLAR: THEY HAD THE INDIAN MOCCASINS.

THEIR SHIRTS WERE MADE OF -- EARLY: BUCKSKIN, YES.

KELLAR: THEIR PANTS WERE BUCKSKIN.

I WONDER ABOUT THE WOMEN.

WHAT ON EARTH DID THE WOMEN DO?

EARLY: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

THEY DO TALK ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE HAD A SPINNING WHEEL TO TRY TO MAKE, YOU KNOW.

AND THEY SAID THAT THE -- THERE WAS A NETTLE THAT GREW ON THE RIVER BOTTOM THAT WAS REALLY, THEY COULD USE AS A GOOD SUBSTITUTE TO TRY TO MAKE THREAD.

THEY WERE VERY INGENIOUS.

THEY FOUND OUT WAYS TO DO THINGS VERY QUICKLY.

BUT A LOT OF -- ALMOST EVERYTHING IN THE NATURAL WORLD, WHERE WAS A GOOD SPRING, WHERE IS GOOD, YOU KMOW, A GOOD PLACE TO HUNT, TO FISH.

THEY FOUND ALMOST ALL OF THAT FROM THE NATIVE AMERICANS THAT WERE HERE, WHO ALREADY KNEW ALL OF THAT.

KELLAR: THEY LEARNED.

WERE THERE A SIGNIFICANT INSTANCES OF FRIENDSHIP?

EARLY: THERE WERE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

SO EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS A LOT OF FIGHTING AND A LOT OF AGGRESSION, THEY WERE STILL TRADING WITH EACH OTHER AND LIVING TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY HAD TO OUT OF NECESSITY.

YOU KNOW, NATIVE AMERICANS HAD FIREARMS, BUT IF THAT BROKE, THEY COULDN'T FIX IT.

SO THEY HAD TO GO INTO ONE OF THE SETTLEMENTS AND TRY TO PAY OR TRADE TO HAVE A GUNSMITH WORK ON THAT.

SO, THERE WAS, EVEN WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT, EVEN WHEN THERE HAD BEEN AN ATROCITY THE DAY BEFORE, THEY MAY BE TRADING WITH THEM THE NEXT DAY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH OF A CHOICE.

AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WAS A -- THEY FELT VERY CONFLICTED ABOUT THAT, TOO.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO HOW TO ACT.

CAPTAIN COVALT HIMSELF WAS SCALPED WHEN HE WAS KILLED IN AN ATTACK.

AND ONE OF HIS CHILDREN SAID THAT YEARS LATER HE CAME ACROSS A NATIVE AMERICAN WHO HAD A SCALP, WHICH THEY BELIEVED WAS HIS FATHER'S.

AND HE SAID, "SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT I WAS WRONG FOR LETTING THAT MAN GET AWAY."

THEY THOUGHT HE SHOULD HAVE STILL, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO AVENGE THAT DEATH.

KELLAR: OH, YEAH.

WELL, UM, IT'S EASY FOR US TO DECIDE THESE THINGS THESE DAYS, BUT, UH, I, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE COOPERATIONS AND FRIENDSHIPS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THANKSGIVING, WE ALL SORT OF.

EARLY: SO THEY DID HAVE THAT SORT OF.

THERE WAS A GREAT STORY, AND THIS IS IN THE BOOK, BUT, UM, THERE, THE FIRST -- ONE OF THE FIRST CHRISTMASES.

THIS IS AT COLUMBIA.

I'M SORRY, THIS IS AT FORT WASHINGTON.

THEY DID INVITE NATIVE AMERICANS TO COME TO A CHRISTMAS DINNER.

AND THEY DID COME AND THEY SAID: WE HAD LONG TABLES SET OUT, AND THEY DID NOT CARE FOR THE TASTE OF THE HOT POT PIE THAT THEY HAD MADE.

THEY DIDN'T CARE FOR THAT.

KELLAR: YEAH.

EARLY: BUT THEY SAID WHEN THE SOLDIERS CAME, THEY THOUGHT IT WAS AN AMBUSH, AND THEY JUMPED UP AND THEY RAN AND THEY HAD TO KIND OF GET THEM ALL BACK.

BUT THERE WAS A PERIOD WHERE THEY WERE REALLY INTERACTING WELL, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF HORSE, A LOT OF HORSE THEFT GOING ON.

THAT WAS THE BIGGEST THING EVER.

KELLAR: I KNOW I READ, OKAY, THEY TOOK -- THEY COULD STEAL HORSES AND NOT WAKE UP THE PEOPLE, BUT THEY TOOK THE HORSE'S REIN AND STUCK IT THROUGH.

WELL, THESE WERE THE SETTLERS.

EARLY: YES.

TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING STOLEN, THEY PUT IT THROUGH THE HOLES IN THE LOGS.

EARLY: INTO THE, SO THEY'D HAVE IT INSIDE.

KELLAR: INSIDE, YES, BUT THEY STILL COULD.

EARLY: THEY WOULD BASICALLY, THESE HORSE THIEVES, WHICH WERE NATIVE AMERICANS, WERE SO GOOD AT STEALING A HORSE, THEY COULD GET THE HORSE AWAY WITHOUT IT MAKING A SOUND.

EVEN THOUGH THE HORSE DIDN'T KNOW THIS PERSON, HAD NEVER BEEN AROUND THEM.

AND SO THEY DID.

THEY TALK ABOUT AT ONE POINT THEY WOULD THREAD THE HALTER LINES THROUGH, YOU KNOW, EMPTY CHINKS IN THE WOOD, SO THEY -- AND THEN TIE IT TO A PEG INSIDE THINKING THAT WOULD HELP.

BUT IN THE MORNING, THAT LEAD WOULD BE TIED UP AND IT WOULD BE TIED TO NOTHING.

THE HORSE WOULD BE GONE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

KELLAR: WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST CUT THOSE LINES?

EARLY: I SAID, WELL, THEY HAD KNIVES TO DO IT, BUT THEY -- HOWEVER, THE NATIVE AMERICANS GOT THEM AWAY WITHOUT.

I MEAN, I DON'T IF YOU'VE EVER RIDDEN A HORSE, BUT YOU CAN'T EVEN GET A SADDLE ON IT WITHOUT IT MAKING SOUNDS.

KELLAR: BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE -- THEY DIDN'T WEAR SADDLES, DID THEY?

EARLY: I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER TO DO THAN TO STEAL THEM AWAY FROM THERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

KELLAR: WELL, WE COULD HAVE TAUGHT THEM A THING OR TWO.

EARLY: THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.

KELLAR: YEAH, I MEAN, ALL THOSE INTRICACIES OF WHAT PEOPLE DID AND HOW THEY HAD.

AND WHEN I READ THE PART ABOUT THE CLOTHING AND THE NETTLES AND I'M THINKING, WHOO.

EARLY: I KNOW.

KELLAR: I BET THAT WAS SCRATCHY.

EARLY: JUST AS, YOU KNOW, SCRATCHY AS IT COULD BE.

BUT TALKING ABOUT LIKE A COONSKIN CAP, WHAT I THOUGHT WAS SORT OF A STEREOTYPE REALLY WAS WHAT THEY WERE WEARING.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD.

KELLAR: COONSKIN ON THEIR HEADS.

EARLY: EXACTLY.

AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE PAWPAW, WHICH IS A FRUIT THAT IS NATIVE TO OHIO.

AND IT'S RIPE IN SEPTEMBER.

AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THEY DIDN'T -- THAT THEY DISCOVERED HERE THAT THEY REALLY LOVED.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF STORIES ABOUT WHEN THEY WERE OUT LOOKING FOR THE PAWPAW IN THE FALL.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF NATIVE FRUIT HERE.

KELLAR: HOW DO WE GET YOUR BOOK?

EARLY: OH, WELL, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

YOU CAN BUY IT ON BARNESANDNOBLE.COM, THEY PUBLISH IT.

YOU CAN BUY IT AT COVALT STATION, WHICH IS A BAR SLASH RESTAURANT OF THE SAME NAME, WHICH IS ON WOOSTER PIKE IN TERRACE PARK.

KELLAR: OH, OKAY.

EARLY: AND THEN THE OHIO BOOKSTORE ON MAIN STREET IS CARRYING IT AS WELL.

KELLAR: OKAY.

WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE BOOK?

EARLY: IT'S CALLED AMID THE HONORABLE PLENTY, WHICH IS THE STORY OF COBALT STATION.

KELLAR: OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WE COULD GO ON FOREVER.

WE NEED ANOTHER SESSION.

EARLY: I LOVE IT.

I COULD TALK ALL DAY.

KELLAR: THIS IS GREAT.

WHEN YOU GET THAT NEXT BOOK DONE, WE'LL TALK AGAIN.

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