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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," WE'LL LOOK AT WHY RENT PRICES ARE FALLING ACROSS THE METRO PHOENIX AREA?

>>> ALSO TONIGHT, A NEW BOOK INVESTIGATES THE INFAMOUS 1976 MURDER OF "ARIZONA REPUBLIC" REPORTER DON BOLLES.

>>> AND RESCUE GROUPS TO BETTER SHARE RESOURCES.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON," I'M TED SIMONS.

RENTS ARE DOWN IN THE METRO PHOENIX AREA.

INDEED RENTS ARE DECLINING, I SHOULD SAY, IN THE VALLEY'S 10 BIGGEST CITIES AND NOT EXPECTED TO INCREASE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.

TO LEARN MORE WE WELCOME CATHERINE REAGOR WITH "ARIZONA REPUBLIC."

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU, TED.

TED: RENT PRICES ARE FALLING NOT JUST HERE BUT EVERYWHERE.

>> THEY ARE.

A COUPLE OF PLACES, OUTLIERS LIKE THEY'RE INCREASING, LAKE HAVASU, ALL CASES THEY ARE DOWN DOUBLE DIGITS.

GLENDALE DOWN 14%.

TED: DO WE KNOW WHY MORE ARE DOWN MORE THAN OTHERS?

>> IT HAS TO DO WITH DEMAND, WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE.

WE HAD A LOT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, WHICH IS GOOD, BECAUSE WE HAD A SHORTAGE.

MOST ARE HIGH-END DEPARTMENTS.

RENTERS BY CHOICE.

90% OF OUR APARTMENTS BUILT IN METRO PHOENIX WERE THE HIGH-ENDS WHICH THE RENTS ARE MUCH HIGHER.

>> THE APARTMENT SURGE IN ARIZONA, UNDERSTAND WE'RE A GROWING AREA, BUT THE APARTMENT SURGE ACROSS THE COUNTRY AS WELL.

PEOPLE LIVING HERE ARE NOT ALONE, AND WANT TO RENT BY CHOICE?

>> YES, THAT WHOLE RENTER BY CHOICE.

WE THINK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU THINK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO RETIRE, YOU HAVE THE NEW BUILD TO RENTS, WHICH ARE LIKE HOMES OR TOWN HOMES.

VERY NICE, THEY HAVE ALL AMENITIES.

THEY HAVE GARBAGE VALETS WHERE YOU PUT YOUR GARBAGE OUT AND THEY PICK IT UP.

REALLY NICE AMENITIES.

YOUNGER GENERATION.

THE 20 AND THE 30s ARE DECIDING NOT TO BUY HOMES.

TED: IS ALL OF THIS ENOUGH FOR VACANCY RATES IN GENERAL TO FALL?

>> THEY HAVE DROPPED NOT QUITE 1% AND THAT IS BIG IMPETUS FOR LANDLORDS TO OFFER DEALS.

>> WHAT KIND OF DEALS ARE OUT THERE, SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THESE ARE REALLY NICE?

>> THEY ARE.

WE SAW THE KIND OF TURN AFTER THE HUGE INCREASES IN RENTS.

WE SAW ONE MONTH FREE RENT, AND NICE COMPLEXES, YOU SEE IT ON THE SIDE, AND IT'S LIKE, IF YOU GO INSIDE, YOU MIGHT GET TWO MONTHS, AND I'M WORKING ON THIS STORY AND WORKING ON A STORY ABOUT BUILD TO RENT.

I SAW ON THE WEBSITE THREE MONTHS FREE RENT, 12 WEEKS, DEALS ARE THERE, YOU GOT TO ASK FOR THEM.

TED: YOU GOT TO SIGN A HEFTY LEASE?

>> I THINK MOST CASES IT'S A YEAR.

SIX MONTHS IS PROBABLY LESS, THEY MIGHT ENTICE TO YOU SIGN MORE.

COMPARED TO WHERE WE WERE IN 2022, UP 200 BUCKS A MONTH, UP 200 BUCKS A MONTH.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE YOU IN.

>> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2022 AND NOW IS BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING AROUND TOWN.

ALL THE CRANES, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION?

>> LOTS OF CRANES, LOTS OF CONSTRUCTION, WE HAD THE FLUX OF PEOPLE COME HERE DURING THE PANDEMIC BECAUSE MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE FOR THE WEST.

MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE FOR THE EAST COAST.

I SAW WASHINGTON STATE, CALIFORNIA, AND A NEW APARTMENT COMPLEX AT THE END OF MY BLOCK IN 2021 AND 2022, AND THEY CAN WORK REMOTELY AND PAY MUCH, MUCH LESS THAN THEY DID.

THEY GOT CALLED BACK, AND THE RENTS AND THE APARTMENTS, WE HAD FEWER PEOPLE, AND PEOPLE LIVING HERE MAKING THE INCOME HERE, HAD TO AFFORD THE RENTS.

>> YOU MENTIONED THE PANDEMIC.

BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, PRICES WERE STILL BASICALLY -- WHAT'S GOING ON NOW IS BASICALLY HIGHER THAN IT WAS PRE-PANDEMIC, CORRECT?

>> IT IS.

IT IS STILL HIGHER THAN PRE-PANDEMIC.

WE WENT UP MORE THAN 40% DURING THE PANDEMIC.

AND SOME AREAS HAVE GONE DOWN 10 TO 15%.

GLENDALE HAS GONE DOWN 14, AND PROBABLY 17 PROBABLY.

TED: ARE WE SAYING THE PANDEMIC IS STILL MESSING WITH THE MARKET?

>> WELL, HOME PRICES.

LOOK AT HOME PRICES.

TED: LET'S LOOK AT HOME PRICES, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING IN.

>> PRE-PANDEMIC, THE MEDIAN HOME PRICE WAS IN 2019, I HAVE THIS MEMORIZED, UNDER 300.

IT'S 440, AND WE'VE BEEN FLAT, AND YOU LOOKED AT INCREASE.

INCOMES ARE UP, WHICH IS GREAT AND GOOD.

BUT WE'VE HAD HIGHER PAYING JOBS COME IN.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN ACROSS THE BOARD INCOMES ARE UP.

THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING, FOR SOMEBODY MAKING THE MEDIAN INCOME TRYING AFFORD THE MEDIAN RENT, NOT EASY.

TED: TRADITIONALLY, THE RENTAL MARKET AND THE REAL ESTATE MARKET, HOW DID THEY INTERTWINE IS THAT CHANGING, OR IS THE DYNAMIC STILL THE SAME?

>> IT'S INTERESTING.

I'M WATCHING THE RENT OR BUY CHOICE, WE'RE SEEING HIGH-END APARTMENTS GOING UP, AND THAT CONSTRUCTION IS UP.

HOME BUILDING IS PRETTY FLAT, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT.

AND THE INTEREST RATES HAVE MADE IT TOUGH.

3% DURING THE PANDEMIC IS AMAZING, YOU KNOW, AND SEEING THAT LIKELY, BUT ALSO, A LOT OF -- 20 AND 30 SOMETHINGS DON'T SEE BUYING REAL ESTATE LIKE WE DID, THIS IS HOW YOU BUILD YOUR WEALTH, YOUR HOME.

THEY SEE INVESTING IN CRYPTO, OR SPORTS BETTING.

THEY'RE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAN INVESTING LONG TERM IN REAL ESTATE.

AND PLUS, THEY WANT A MORE MOBILE LIFESTYLE.

TED: WOULDN'T THAT SUGGEST, THAT HOME PRICES AND MORTGAGE RATES CAN'T BUDGE ALL THAT MUCH.

WOULDN'T THAT SUGGEST THAT PRICES FOR HOMES WOULD DECLINE?

>> I THINK WE'RE STILL -- WHAT'S GOOD IS WE HAVE SUCH GREAT JOB GROWTH WITH ALL OF THE NEW COMPANIES.

TSMC AND ALL OF THESE COMPANIES AND THAT IS HELPING.

HOME BUILDING HAS SLOWED, THE NUMBER OF HOMES ON THE MARKET HAVE REGULATED.

NOT AS MANY, SO WE'RE NOT FLOODING THE MARKET, AND WE'VE BEEN LUCKY.

HOME PRICES WERE DOWN A BIT LAST YEAR, AND ARE FLAT SO FAR THIS YEAR, BUT AFTER THE, YOU KNOW, 50% JUMP, NOT SEEING ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND NOT HEARING THOSE FORECASTS, AND BELIEVE ME, I'M WATCHING.

WE'RE NOT LIKE THE RECESSION.

WE TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN WE HAVE A BUBBLE AND THE BAD LOANS.

IT'S A DIFFERENT MARKET, AND WE'RE LUCKY HERE.

WE HAVE ALL THIS GROWTH.

TED: LAST QUESTION HERE.

FIRST OF ALL, IS PHOENIX MAXED OUT AS FAR AS NEW APARTMENTS, AS FAR AS VACANT APARTMENTS ARE CONCERNED.

AND SECONDLY, USED TO BE RENTAL APARTMENTS YOU CONVERT THOSE TO CONDOS.

ARE CONDOS CONVERTING TO RENTALS?

>> SOME CASES WE'VE SEEN THAT, YES, WE HAVE SEEN THAT, BUT I THINK THE OPPOSITE COULD HOLD TRUE, AND I THINK DEVELOPERS GO BACK FROM CONVERTING TO APARTMENTS TO CONDOS AND YOU CAN SEE THE WAY THEY'RE DEVELOPING TO DO THAT -- SORRY, FIRST QUESTION?

TED: THE FACT WE'RE MAXED OUT, DO YOU THINK WE'RE MAXED OUT?

>> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SLOW DOWN.

PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THE ECONOMY, WATCHING GAS PRICES, THEY'RE WATCHING CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

WE'RE A LITTLE BIT ON HOLD RIGHT NOW, AND YOU SEE A LOT OF APARTMENTS IN THE PLANNING STAGES BUT THE DEVELOPERS ARE JUST HOLD.

TED: INTERESTING, CATHERINE REAGOR, "ARIZONA REPUBLIC" AND AZCENTRAL.COM.

GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> GREAT TO BE HERE.

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TED: THE 1976 CAR BOMB MURDER OF "ARIZONA REPUBLIC" REPORTER DON BOLLES RAISED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND SPECULATION AS TO WHY BOLLES WAS TARGETED AND WHO INVOLVED?

INVESTIGATIONS, CONVICTIONS, THE OVERTURNING OF SOME OF THOSE CONVICTIONS, LED TO MORE QUESTIONS AS YEARS PASSED.

A NEW BOOK, "MURDER IN THE FOURTH ESTATE: THE ASSASSINATION OF INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST DON BOLLES."

THE AUTHOR IS LOCAL JOURNALIST JEREMY DUDA WHO WORKS FOR AXIOS PHOENIX.

WE SHOULD NOTE THAT JEREMY'S WIFE WORKS FOR ARIZONA PBS.

WHY A BOOK ON THE DON BOLLES MURDER?

>> I WAS ALWAYS FASCINATED BY THE CASE, AS A NATIVE ARIZONAN, AS A JOURNALIST HERE, LOVE THE STATE'S HISTORY.

I READ EVERYTHING THERE WAS ABOUT IT BUT IT ALWAYS BUGGED ME, THERE WAS NEVER A COMPREHENSIVE HISTORY OF THE CASE I COULD READ, AND I WOULD HAVE TO SET OUT THE BOOK I WANTED TO READ.

AND ENTER THAT INTO THE HISTORICAL RECORD.

TED: WE'RE TALKING 50 YEARS AGO, WAS IT DIFFICULT TO FIND SOMETHING NEW?

>> YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY.

I GUESS IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU DEFINE AS SOMETHING NEW.

THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOWED THE CASE CLOSELY, A LOT OF THE INFORMATION WAS KNOWN BUT NEVER WIDELY REPORTED, SO MUCH OF IT WAS UNDER THE SURFACE, BEHIND THE SCENE, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S CASE FILE.

150 BANKERS' BOXES FULL OF DOCUMENTS.

IF YOU WANT TO DIG BACK THROUGH DECADES OF NEWS CONFERENCE, REPORTS FILES.

MOST PEOPLE WHO KNEW THE CASE WELL HAVE NEVER SEEN AND HEARD OF.

TO PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CASE, THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION.

TED: FOR THOSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH DON, A LOT THINGS HAVE COME AND GONE.

WHO WAS DON BOLLES?

WHAT DID HE FOCUS ON AS FAR AS HIS REPORTING?

>> DON BOLLES WAS AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER WHO CAME TO ARIZONA IN 1962 TO WORK FOR THE REPUBLIC, QUICKLY ESTABLISHED HIMSELF AS A TOP-NOTCH INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER COVERING GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION, COVERING THE MAFIA, COVERING LAND FRAUD, COVERING THE STATE DOG RACING INDUSTRY.

THOSE ARE THINGS HE WAS WELL KNOWN FOR, PULLING BACK THE COVERS ON MAFIA INFILTRATION HERE, EXPOSING SHENANIGANS IN THE LOCAL DOG RACING SCENE AND THE LAND FRAUD EPIDEMIC, LAND FRAUD WAS ONE OF THE STATE'S BIGGEST INDUSTRIES, 1960s AND EARLY 70s AND PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY READ DON BOLLES'S REPORTING.

>> WHY WAS HE AT THE CLARENDON HOTEL.

>> A MAN MET HIM AND SAID I HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT POLITICAL CORRUPTION, I HAVE A SOURCE FROM SAN DIEGO GOING TO SPILL THE BEANS.

MEET ME AT THE CLARENDON AROUND 11:15 THIS MORNING.

BOLLES SHOWED UP.

WAITED IN THE LOBBY ABOUT TEN MINUTES.

PHONE RANG, CLERK SAID, THERE'S A CALL FOR YOU, THE SOURCE GOT CALLED, MEETING IS OFF, I'LL TALK TO YOU LATER.

BOLLES THOUGHT THAT WAS THAT.

THOUGHT IT WAS A SETUP FOR A CONGRESSMAN.

THEY DID NOT BELIEVE THIS MAN HAD GOOD INFORMATION, BUT FIGURED HE WAS GOING IT HEAR HIM OUT.

NO HARM, NO FOUL.

GOES OFF TO HIS CAR, STARTS TO BACK UP AND REMOTE-CONTROLLED DETONATOR EXPLODED, BUNDLE OF DYNAMITE UNDER THE DRIVER'S SIDE OF HIS DATSUN.

TED: THE LAST WORDS IMPLICATED JOHN HARVEY ADAMSON AND IMPLICATED PEOPLE.

OBTAIN OBVIOUSLY, THE STORY, WE HAD WITNESSES TESTIFY, NOT TESTIFY, HE GOES INTO WITNESS PROTECTION, YOU COULD RIGHT A RUSSIAN NOVEL ABOUT THIS?

>> YOU COULD.

PROBABLY THE REASON THE BOOK WAS NEVER WRITTEN IS THERE WAS SO MUCH TO TELL, THE CASE DRAGGED ON FOR SO LONG.

JOHN ADAMSON TOOK A PLEA DEAL AFTER SIX MONTHS, AND TESTIFIED THAT CONTRACTOR NAMED MAX DUNLAP HIRED HIM TO KILL BOLLES AT THE BEHEST OF KUEMPER MARLEY, A LOCAL LIQUOR MAGNATE, ONE OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE IN TOWN.

DUNLAP AND A PLUMBER NAMED JIMMY ROBISON HE ALLEGED BUILT AND DETONATED THE BOMB, CONVICTED AND SENTENCED TO DEATH.

FEW YEARS LATER, THE CONVICTIONS WERE OVERTURNED.

ADAMSON GOT SENTENCED TO DEATH.

THE DEATH SENTENCE WAS EVENTUALLY OVERTURNED AND THERE WAS A GRAND JURY, A NEW ROUND OF MURDER CHARGES, CASES WENT BACK TO TRIAL.

DUNLAP WAS CONVICTED, ROBISON WAS ACQUITTED.

TED: ADAMSON GOES INTO WITNESS PROTECTION.

DUNLAP DIED IN PRISON, CORRECT?

>> I BELIEVE IN 2008.

ROBISON EITHER ENDED UP GETTING OUT.

HE HAD TO SPEND FIVE YEARS IN FEDERAL PRISON AFTER HE WAS ACQUITTED BECAUSE HE PLED GUILTY PLOTTING TO KILL ADAMSON BEFORE HE COULD TESTIFY AT HIS TRIAL IN 2003.

TED: YES, I GUESS.

A LOT OF BIG NAMES, SOME PEOPLE WERE FAMILIAR WITH, SOME PEOPLE WERE NOT.

BIG NAMES FLOATED ALL OVER THE PLACE AS POSSIBLY BEING A REASON THERE WAS DOG RACING, LIQUOR LICENSES, THE MAFIA, LAND FRAUD AS YOU MENTIONED DOES.

YOUR BOOK GET ANY CLOSER AS TO WHY THIS HAPPENED?

>> I WISH I COULD SAY I HAD A DEFINITIVE CONCLUSION HERE.

WHEN I STARTED OUT, I SAID I'M NOT GOING TO PROVE WHO DID OR DIDN'T KILL BOLLES.

I FEEL LIKE MY GOAL IS TO GIVE PEOPLE THE INFORMATION THEY NEEDED TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, BUT IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT IT REALLY EXPOSES WHO DID THIS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

ADAMSON WAS NOT THE MOST RELIABLE OF NARRATORS.

OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO SAVE HIS OWN SKIN AND SAY OFF DEATH ROW AT FIRST.

THERE'S A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THEY THINK DIED WITH A LOT OF THE WITNESSES, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO KNEW MORE MANY YEARS AGO.

TED: AND CONTINUES ON INTO LORE WITH THE LATEST DEFINITIVE ACCOUNT.

THE I.R.E.

WHICH FLOODED THE LANDSCAPE, THE BOOK WAS THERE, WAS THAT HELPFUL TO YOU?

>> IT WAS.

THEY GAVE ME A LOT OF INSIGHT INTO THE STATE EARLY ON.

WHAT ARIZONA WAS LIKE AT THE TIME.

THIS IS THE MODERN WILD WEST IN THE 70s.

PEOPLE HAD COME HERE FROM ELSEWHERE TO START OVER.

DIDN'T WANT FOLKS TO KNOW WHAT THEY HAD DONE BEFORE.

I MENTIONED THE LAND FRAUD AND THE MAFIA, PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT FOR A QUICK BUCK, NOT ALWAYS THE MOST HONEST BUCK.

THAT WAS HELPFUL.

NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE ITSELF, THEY WEREN'T TRYING TO INVESTIGATE THE BOLLES CASE, THEY FIGURED PEOPLE WERE DOING THAT.

INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS AND EDITORS WANT TO INVESTIGATE THE CLIMATE THAT LED SOMEONE TO DECIDE THEY COULD KILL A REPORTER AND CREATE AN INSURANCE POLICY.

YOU WANT TO KILL ONE OF US, THERE'S GOING TO BE 100 MORE SHOW UP AND TURN THE STATE UPSIDE DOWN.

TED: WITH THAT IN MIND.

THIS EVENT -- FOR THOSE WHO LIVED IN THE VALLEY A LONG TIME, THIS IS A BENCHMARK IN TERMS OF THE HISTORY OF PHOENIX AND ARIZONA, DID THIS EVENT CHANGE ARIZONA, CHANGE PHOENIX?

>> IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT IT DID.

I THINK PHOENIX CHANGED BECAUSE THIS HAPPENED IN A PERIOD OF MASSIVE GROWTH THAT BEGAN AT THE END OF WORLD WAR II AND CONTINUED.

TEN YEARS LATER, ARIZONA, PHOENIX WAS SUCH A DIFFERENT PLACE.

20 YEARS LATER, IT'S PRETTY MUCH UNRECOGNIZABLE NOW.

I DON'T KNOW THAT A LOT CHANGED DIRECTLY BECAUSE OF BOLLES BUT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SO PROMINENT IN A NEGATIVE WAY ABOUT THE STATE AT THE TIME CHANGED WITH THE TIMES AS ARIZONA GREW AND BECAME A MUCH MORE MODERN AND LARGER STATE.

>> WHEN IS THE BOOK RELEASEED?

>> APRIL 16.

TED: CAN'T WAIT.

JEREMY DUDA, "MURDER IN THE FOURTH ESTATE: THE ASSASSINATION OF INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST DON BOLLES."

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BOOK, AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

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TED: HEIDI'S VILLAGE IS AN ANIMAL SHELTER IN PHOENIX THAT WORKS TO PROVIDE OTHER SHELTER BY PROVIDING A HUB FOR COLLABORATION, INNOVATION AND LIFE SAVING SUPPORT.

JOINING US IS LORI WAHL.

ALSO WITH US IS MATTHEW WHO'S WITH YOU.

AND I'VE GOT MAGGIE.

I'VE GOT LITTLE MARGARET HERE.

DO WE HAVE A SHOT?

THERE'S MATTHEW.

CAN WE GET A SHOT OF THE RAMBUNCTIOUS LITTLE MAGGIE?

GIVE ME A BETTER DEFINITION OF HEIDI'S VILLAGE.

I KNOW CHANGING LIVES ONE PAW AT A TIME IS YOUR MOTTO.

>> YEAH, YOU SAID IT REALLY WELL IN OPENING.

WE ARE A RESOURCE CENTER FOR ALL THE RESCUES AND SHELTER IN THE VALLEY.

WE PROVIDE LOW COST BOARDING AND VET CARE, SO THEY CAN SAVE MORE LIVES.

WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT ALL THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, ANIMAL WELFARE ORGANIZATIONS.

TED: HOW DOES IT WORK?

LET'S SAY MAGGIE AND MATTHEW ARE OUT THERE, AND ANOTHER GROUP HAS THEM.

DO THEY TAKE THEM TO YOU IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE SPACE?

HOW DOES IT WORK?

>> YEAH, THE KITTENS COME TO US FROM GOOD SAMARITANS THAT FIND THEM.

IT'S KITTEN SEASON.

THEY ARE BORN LEFT AND RIGHT, AND SHE SO WIGGLY.

PEOPLE WILL FIND THEM AND BRING THEM TO US AND WE HAVE A 24/7, 365-DAY KITTEN NURSERY.

THE DOG SIDE, WE HAVE TON OF RESCUE PARTNERS, SO THEY NEED EXTRA SPACE AND NEED AFFORDABLE VET CARE.

WHEN THE FOSTERS ARE FULL OR THE OWN FACILITY IS FULL, WE ARE AN EXTENSION OF THE RESCUE WITH SPACE AND VET CARE.

TED: THE VET CARE IS AN IMPORTANT THING.

>> YES, MOST OF THE ANIMALS THAT THE COME TO US NEED VET CARE.

THEY HAVE MEDICAL AND BEHAVIORAL AND/OR MEDICAL ISSUES, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE HAVE IS BEHAVIORAL TEAM.

TED: DO YOU HAVE BEHAVIORAL?

MAGGIE DOES NOT HAVE BEHAVIORAL ISSUES.

DON'T LISTEN TO YOU, SHE'S GOING TO HAVE A COMPLEX HERE.

GOT TO BE A BIG SITE, HUH?

>> GREAT QUESTION.

WE ARE ABOUT FIVE ACRES AND CAN HOLD ABOUT 250 DOGS.

IT'S A PRETTY BIG PROPERTY.

WE LOVE TO HAVE PEOPLE OUT FOR TOURS, SO DEFINITELY IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT US, GO ON OUR WEBSITE AND FILL OUT A TOUR INFO FORM.

TED: YOU MENTIONED BEHAVIOR, IN TERMS OF MAKING A MATCH FOR AN OWNER, BEHAVIOR IS A PRETTY BIG DEAL, ISN'T IT?

>> IT IS.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE BEHAVIOR STAFF.

WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERTS, THEY'RE NOT JUST DOG TRAINERS, THEY ARE ANIMAL BEHAVIORISTS.

WE MAKE SURE THEY GET THE HELP THEY NEED AND GET THE RIGHT MAECHS.

THAT'S INFORMATION WE GIVE BACK TO THE RESCUE.

THIS IS WHAT THIS DOG IS SUITABLE FOR.

TED: AS FAR AS THE HISTORY.

THIS WAS STARTED IN 2020?

>> YEAH, WE'RE RELATIVELY NEW.

TED: INSPIRATION?

>> OUR FOUNDER JENNY IS A SAINT TO BEGIN WITH.

SHE WAS DONATING TO ANIMAL WELFARE FOR DECADES.

WHAT SHE KEPT SEEING IS THE RESCUES DIDN'T HAVE SUPPORT.

THE SMALL ORGANIZATIONS WITH AMAZING PEOPLE THAT DO A LOT OF GOOD BUT WHAT IF THEY HAD A SUPPORT SYSTEM.

TED: AND TO PROMOTE THE ANIMALS AND THE PROGRAM AS WELL, CORRECT?

>> YEP.

THEY ALL DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

WE'RE HERE TO HELP THEM DO THE THINGS THEY DO.

SOMEWHERE GROUP SPECIFIC OR LIKE THE MEDICAL CASES, SOME LIKE SENIOR DOGS.

THEY ALL HAVE THEIR LITTLE NICHE AND WE'RE HERE TO HELP THEM SAVE MORE OF THOSE.

TED: IS THERE A FOSTERING PROGRAM INVOLVED HERE?

>> YES, ESPECIALLY FOR THE KITTENS.

RIGHT NOW, THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE ALWAYS IN NEED OF.

FOSTERS HELP EXTEND OUR SPACE, RIGHT?

OUR NURSERY IS TOTALLY FULL.

IF WE CAN GET MORE PEOPLE FOSTERING AND GETTING THESE GUYS OUT OF THERE, WE CAN OPEN UP A KENNEL FOR ANOTHER KITTEN TO COME IN.

TED: EVERYONE IS WORKING TOGETHER, NO SILOS?

>> COLLABORATION IS ONE OF OUR PILLARS.

WE ARE HERE TO BRING EVERYONE TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER.

WE HAVE A NICHE.

WE HAVE A PLACE.

TED: DO YOU NEED VOLUNTEERS?

>> WE ALWAYS NEED VOLUNTEERS.

THEY CAN HELP WITH ALL DIFFERENT TASKS AROUND THE FACILITIES.

WALKING DOGS.

HELP SOCIALIZE OUR KITTENS.

WE HAVE ALL THINGS VOLUNTEERS CAN DO.

TED: PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN BEING A VOLUNTEER, GO TO THE WEBSITE?

>> YEP.

HEIDIS VILLAGE.ORG, YOU CAN SIGN UP TO BE A VOLUNTEER AND A FOSTER.

TED: IS THERE SOME REHABILITATION, MEDICAL OR BEHAVIOR?

>> PRETTY MUCH.

IT'S RARE ONE COMES IN THAT DOESN'T NEED EXTRA HELP.

TED: YOU ARE TALKING DOGS?

>> BOTH.

THEY ARE SICK TOO, THEY HAVE BEEN OUTDOORS, MAY NOT HAVE THE BEST NUTRITION.

WE HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK WITH EVERY ANIMAL IN THE DOOR.

WOULD YOU SIT STILL?

[LAUGHTER] >> GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

THE VET US THAT WORK WITH, ARE THEY VOLUNTARY VETS?

>> THOSE ARE ACTUALLY -- OUR VET STAFF IS A PAID STAFF.

WE HAVE DECENT NUMBER OF PAID EMPLOYEES BECAUSE OUR LEVEL OF CARE IS REALLY HIGH.

WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE MEDICAL CASES, BEHAVIORAL CASES, THEY NEED EXPERTS TO HELP THEM.

WE HAVE PAID STAFF.

TED: IF SOMEONE IS WATCHING RIGHT NOW AND THINK MAGGIE IS THE BE ALL AND END ALL OR MATTHEW IS A HOOT.

DO THEY COME DOWN?

>> YES, FOR KITTENS THEY CAN COME DOWN.

THESE GUYS WILL BE AVAILABLE IN TWO WEEKS.

THEY ARE ONLY SIX WEEKS, THEY HAVE A BIT MORE FORESTING TO DO, THEY ARE VERY SOCIAL, AND IN TWO WEEKS THEY'LL COME IN, GET THE SURGERY AND THEY'LL BE READY FOR ADOPTION.

RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW WAITING IN THE WINGS TO COME OUT TO ADOPTION FACILITY, SO YOU MAY NOT SEE ANY RIGHT THIS SECOND, BUT THEY'LL BE AVAILABLE SOON.

TED: OKAY, YOU MENTIONED ORIGINALLY IN 2020, HEIDI'S VILLAGE, THE NAME ITSELF.

THAT COMES FROM THE INSPIRATION, THE ORIGINATOR?

>> SO THE FOUNDER, ONE OF HER DOGS THAT SHE HELPED -- SHE TOOK ON FROM A PERSON WHO PASSED WAS HEIDI.

TED: THAT'S WHERE THAT IS.

>> BACK TO THE SAFETY NET AND BEING A SAFETY NET FOR ALL THE ANIMALS IN THE VALLEY, AND THAT'S WHERE HEIDI CAME FROM.

TED: ALL RIGHT, MARGARET, LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE GETTING READY TO GO BACK HOME, A PLEASURE MEETING YOU.

MATTHEW, I DON'T KNOW IF I MET YOU OR NOT.

>> I THINK I GOT HIS HAPPY PLACE.

TED: LORI, THANKS FOR BEING HERE AS WELL, AND THE GREAT JOB YOU ARE DOING.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

TED: THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.